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Filming in one of
Londons busiest rail terminals was one of the many challenges facing
producer Patrick Crowley and the crew on The Bourne Ultimatum.
Waterloo Station,
near Londons South Bank, provides the bustling back-drop to a pivotal
scene in the third instalment of the highly acclaimed Bourne series featuring
Matt Damon, as former black ops assassin Jason Bourne, and Paddy Considine
who plays a British investigative journalist.
Crowley, who has served
as one of the producers on all three films, explains: Its
a scene of incredible tension in which Paddy Considines character,
who has some information about Jason Bourne, has come here to meet him
and suddenly he finds people are here to kill him.
And so its
the growing awareness that he has been targeted in a public place like
this with all the noise and all the faces and the fear that there is someone
who is walking towards you and you dont know whether thats
the person who is trying to kill you. Jason Bourne is trying to help him
stay alive and Waterloo is a great place to set up that kind of tension.
It is indeed, but
it also presented a logistical nightmare for the Bourne crew as they filmed
on the concourse of one of the busiest railway stations in Europe
more than 1.2 million passengers use it every week with commuters
rushing on to and off of trains all around them.
Its as
difficult as we expected and anytime that you do a sequence like this
in a large public place in which you have a certain amount of control
you have to anticipate there will be problems and that it will be tough
going, says Crowley.
You cannot close
the station down, so you have to live with the people who are coming to
use the trains. We are restricted to shoot between 10am and 4pm, which
is essentially when the rush hour is over. There are a lot of people anyway
and a lot who have just come by to watch the filming.
The sequence will
be well worth the effort, he adds. And anyway, the Bourne crew are battle
hardened veterans of exotic and unusual locations which, over the three
films, has taken them from Russia to Germany, to Goa and to Tangier and
many other places, too.
Crowley believes that
these far flung destinations are an essential part of the appeal of the
films.
When we do audience
evaluations and ask them the things they like about the movie, usually
in the top three is that they like the locations, he says. And
I think its particularly American audiences.
And we dont
do the picture postcard version of places. If you see the Eiffel Tower
in our movie its deliberately really small in the background. I
think when people watch the Bourne films they feel like its an insiders
look into places that they dont go to.
Another Bourne tradition
is the way that the creative team the producers, director Paul
Greengrass, Matt Damon and the writers are always prepared to make
last minute adaptations to the story if necessary.
The end of the last
film, The Bourne Supremacy, is a good example. The closing scenes feature
Jason Bourne spying on secret service boss Pamela Landy (Joan Allen) in
what was regarded as a superb ending to the film.
But Crowley revealed
that those scenes were a last minute addition, filmed just a few weeks
before the film went on general release in America.
The Bourne movies
are constantly being re-written. Constantly. And Paul (Greengrass) is
always looking for a better way to do a sequence. He is very relaxed about
approaching something from a different angle and that means you might
have to re-write it or re-stage it. Right now Im changing stuff
every day.
Crowleys producing
credits include Sleepless in Seattle, Legends of the Fall and Charlies
Angels: Full Throttle as well as all three of the Bourne movies. This
interview was conducted on location at Waterloo Station, London.
Q: Youre
here filming in Waterloo, one of Londons busiest railway stations.
Whats that like?
PC: Its
as difficult as we expected and anytime that you do a sequence like this
in a large public place in which you have a certain amount of control
you have to anticipate there will be problems and that it will be tough
going. You cannot close the station down so you have to live with the
people who are coming to use the trains. We are restricted to shoot between
10am and 4pm, which is essentially when the rush hour is over. There are
a lot of people anyway and a lot who have just come by to watch
the filming.
Q: How do you deal
with that?
PC: You can
get some shots where one person is just looking at the camera but sometimes
you just get a whole bunch of people staring right at the camera. And
the difference between this movie and when we did The Bourne Supremacy
is that now everybody has cell phone cameras so you just look and you
see 20 people taking pictures. At least, if they had them before they
werent as common as they are now. This first assistant director
is the guy who is in charge of making sure it runs smoothly in a place
like this and he is doing a great job. And he has just come off of two
and a half weeks shooting in Tangier.
Q: A different
set of problems, Im sure, in Tangier. What was that like?
PC: Nearly impossible
because we were filming there during Ramadan and when people dont
have the ability to eat, dont drink and smoke cigarettes
if they are cigarette smokers by the end of the day the last thing
they are interested in doing is cooperating with a film crew. We were
shooting in these little narrow streets and at times it was almost impossible.
And sometimes what you have to do is say OK, were all going
to move over here and stick one camera and put it over on the side
and then we will send the actor and the rest of the crew off in a different
direction. And sometimes we actually stage what looks like a scene somewhere
else when we are actually filming in another area.
Q: Like a decoy?
PC: Yes. But
you know, what can you expect? You are in a busy public place. You get
incredible production value in a place like this (Waterloo Station).
Q: Whats
the scene you are shooting here in Waterloo?
PC: Its
a scene of incredible tension in which Paddy Considines character,
a journalist who has some information about Jason Bourne, has come here
to meet him and suddenly he finds people are here to kill him. And so
its the growing awareness that he has been targeted in a public
place like this with all the noise and all the faces and the fear that
there is someone who is walking towards you and you dont know whether
thats the person who is trying to kill you. Jason Bourne is trying
to help him stay alive and Waterloo is a great place to set up that kind
of tension.
Q: How many cameras
do you have here?
PC: We have
four or five.
Q: Was one of the
reasons you picked this station because of the natural light?
PC: It made
a difference. I dont know enough about all the London train stations
but this one has more natural light than most. But it was more because
of its size, its vast.
Q: In what way
was filming in Tangier challenging?
PC: Well, as
Ive said it was Ramadan. And we had one time when we were filming
and the police about a block away had clamped someones car and this
guy got very upset and he attacked them and then the police grabbed him
and started dragging him up the street. And they realised the safest place
to drag him was where the film crew was because we had our own police
and security and so they started dragging this guy essentially across
our set. And there were about 300 or 400 people, mostly men, who were
watching the filming and this guy is struggling with the police and suddenly
this whole crowd starts to come alive. And we are looking at our shot
and all of a sudden we see 300 people with some guy in the middle and
a cop is running in the other direction and we were like oh my God!
Whats happening? We didnt know how bad it was going
to be, if they were upset with us filming there. It took two or three
hours to figure out that it didnt have anything to do with our show.
Anytime youre outside your world and something spontaneous like
that happens, particularly in this day and age, you are going is
there a problem? Are we in trouble? Is somebody going to get hurt?
Q: How would you
define the style of the Bourne films?
PC: Doug Liman,
who directed The Bourne Identity, set the original style of the films
and the easiest way to define them is through Jason Bourne - because he
has lost his memory, we wanted to use the camera subjectively to see things
happen to him the same time he experiences them. Often times youll
find if Jason Bourne goes into a room the camera comes into the room behind
him. A more Hollywood configuration would be you are in the room, the
actor comes in and you see him come in. With our films, you go into a
room and there is somebody threatening him there and you are watching
it with him. You are watching it happen to Jason as if its for the
first time. In the first movie, when he had no memory at all, that was
very significant - you saw exactly what he saw and the audience gets closer
to his character because of that. And that has to do with the hand held
style, how you place a camera in a scene. We usually have one hand held
camera and then another camera which will be on a long lens and it will
be on a dolly track, gong back and forth, giving us pieces to cut with.
Q: Its a
style that some other films now seem to imitate..
PC: The style
is very freeform, very chaotic and a lot of people seem to like it, a
lot of people feel really comfortable with it. And you have begun to see
in the four or five years since we did the first one that there are a
lot of other shows that are adopting this, not because of us necessarily,
but thats the style they are using.
Q: What sort of
action sequences can we expect in The Bourne Ultimatum?
PC: Tangier
was very tricky and I cant give too much away but basically Bourne
has to rescue somebody in Tangier. Someone is in trouble and he has to
get through the Medina in order to save that person, so its a very
elaborate construction. We had a cable cam shot in which we built two
towers and had 100 metres of cable running between the two. Then we have
a remote controlled camera on the cable and it goes up to 30mph as Bourne
is running along the rooftops.
Q: Will there be
more Jason Bourne films after The Bourne Ultimatum?
PC: I dont
know exactly what will happen with Jason Bourne. After we did the second
one everybody said will there be a third? but you generally
wait to see how the movie performs at the box office. So if the movie
performs well, the studio says were going to do another one.
And you usually have a couple of years between the movies so they arent
coming out like a television show every year so that usually gives you
enough time to do it. And you know, you have to ask if Matt wants to do
another one? Would we do it without Matt? I dont know that Paul
would necessarily want to do another one. Hes a really good director
and directors usually want to do something different, a different style,
and a different subject matter.
Q: How many crew
do you have working on The Bourne Ultimatum?
PC: It depends
if you have a second unit going at the same time. Today it would be about
220 and if you had a second unit you can add another 80. And then you
have office staff and carpenters building the next set so theres
constantly peaks and valleys in terms of that. This is a labour intensive
set, we have a lot of people to control things. But sometimes you can
send out a splinter unit with ten people.
We did that last time in Naples. It was a sequence where Bourne was on
a boat going into Naples where he got off the boat, and we sent ten people
down there with Frank Marshall and he directed that. And when we do audience
evaluations and ask them the things they like about the movie, usually
in the top three is that they like the locations. And I think its
particularly American audiences. And we dont do the picture postcard
version of places. If you see the Eiffel Tower in our movie its
deliberately really small in the background. I think when people watch
the Bourne stuff they feel like its an insiders look into places
that they dont go to because very few Americans travel, its
like only 8 per cent of Americans have passports and they just love the
locations we go to.
Q: Do you think
Bourne encouraged Bond to change style?
PC: Martin Campbell
is a friend of mine! [Laughs] Martin loves the Bourne movies. He thinks
they are great. But he also has a different audience to satisfy. Watching
a Bond movie is a different experience the gadget and the toys.
Its a perfectly valid genre and who else has done it better than
they have? They have made it attractive for 23 films. More power to them
and in the market place you can certainly have both.
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